league reset

by KABOOM Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:25 pm

What would you think about to reset the Tribal Trouble league?
i don't know if it is possible, but an reset would maybe bring back life inside the game.

the league is untouchable if you play without boosting.

by **glow** Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:27 pm

the problem would b how do u change the format of the league. a possibility would b to make wins the measured amount to b in the league (i would b second Razz

haha) but then it would b people who played the most that would b in the league. i think it would also bring people to play on one profile for much longer periods of time instead of always changing them and restarting bc they lost some games and their win-loss ratio isnt good. then technically every game would b "rated" and rated games would no longer exist. Unless there is a way to fix that whole system it doesnt really matter.

by **EPIC_FAIL** Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:10 pm

The idea has been tossed around before on the old forums, but now I think Sune would actually consider it due to the game's vegetative state. We'd have to be pretty strict on no boosting though, because it would be quite easy for anyone to take advantage of a reset system.

Although cool, and probably ideal, I don't think that Sune actually has the power to change the format of how to get into the league though (coding and effort required). I'd still be keen to just battle it out on a TT-wide account reset though. We have no people left to piss off right?

by **glow** Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:53 pm

EPIC_FAIL wrote:The idea has been tossed around before on the old forums, but now I think Sune would actually consider it due to the game's vegetative state. We'd have to be pretty strict on no boosting though, because it would be quite easy for anyone to take advantage of a reset system.

Although cool, and probably ideal, I don't think that Sune actually has the power to change the format of how to get into the league though (coding and effort required). I'd still be keen to just battle it out on a TT-wide account reset though. We have no people left to piss off right?

i was meaning for if we got the rights and were updating the game then we could. I dont wanna lose my rating Sad

i like the number im at. its like 1422 or something like that. I have more wins that i do rating Razz

haha

by **EPIC_FAIL** Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:07 pm

I 'naturally' got to 1500 on ABOLISH which I was pretty pleased with... but yeah if we end up receiving the game we should definitely do a hard-reset. And delete all boosted accounts as they come!

by **glow** Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:22 pm

EPIC_FAIL wrote:I 'naturally' got to 1500 on ABOLISH which I was pretty pleased with... but yeah if we end up receiving the game we should definitely do a hard-reset. And delete all boosted accounts as they come!

my 1422 is on my own Very Happy

by KABOOM Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:55 am

i think we should do an reset. I wasn't playing at the start of tribal trouble, but i think it was a fight to become one of the league.
it will bring an aim into tribal trouble. Nowadays you only fight to get win's.

we would hold your old account in honor glow ;D

by **glow** Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:08 pm

KABOOM wrote:i think we should do an reset. I wasn't playing at the start of tribal trouble, but i think it was a fight to become one of the league.
it will bring an aim into tribal trouble. Nowadays you only fight to get win's.

we would hold your old account in honor glow ;D

if that happened i would stop using glow. I would go back to my original name which was sprite.

by **Dapianokid** Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:11 pm

If this happened, I'd stay me. Dapianokid will forever be my name even if the rating I have isn't there. I had to boost to get any higher than the natural 1758 I got to withotu boosting.
To reset the league, I'd suggest disallowing all accounts who are currently in teh league, and basically deleting the RATING without deleting the actualy wins. Or finding a way so that if they refuse to play/got boosted after they get there, they aren't on there anymore
This needs to happen.

by **glow** Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:57 pm

i would like the reset to happen however i dont know how we would like remember the old players if that makes sense. personally i think we should recognize them still as being the best and also tell the new people who join and play tt bout them. They obviously shouldnt b forgotten. I am happy wit a complete reset of all accounts tho. perhaps jus reset the accounts but not like deleting them. if that makes sense, so that no one could ever b them again.

by **EPIC_FAIL** Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:53 pm

glow wrote:i would like the reset to happen however i dont know how we would like remember the old players if that makes sense. personally i think we should recognize them still as being the best and also tell the new people who join and play tt bout them. They obviously shouldnt b forgotten. I am happy wit a complete reset of all accounts tho. perhaps jus reset the accounts but not like deleting them. if that makes sense, so that no one could ever b them again.

I thought about how this would work too, but I don't think there's an 'easy' solution. The ideal one, as you said, would be to reset all wins/losses/rating on all accounts but not delete them, but I don't know if that's actually possible. Unfortunately if we were to commit to this reset though we would have to move on from the 'old days' of the league. Pros will always be talked about such as Mambo, leaf, beck, and whoever else, but they unfortunately are going to have to come fight for a spot (and not boost) on the new league if they want that back!

Besides, the league is in shambles with all of the boosters in there nowadays anyway.

by **Dapianokid** Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:15 am

Couple of things.
Beck is still playing from time to time, and you're forgetting about Stormy, Kirin, Silencer (maybe the same dude), and a bunch of other pros.

There are simple mathmatical solutions to "anti-boosting" policies in the league. For one thing, I think that a minimum of one loss should be required. Nobody can get to 4000 rating with only 70 wins. Certain numbers of games are required to do this properly and it'd be cleary boosting. Stormy's number of games is pretty accurate to his actual position in the league.

by **EPIC_FAIL** Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:03 pm

Dapianokid wrote:Couple of things.
Beck is still playing from time to time, and you're forgetting about Stormy, Kirin, Silencer (maybe the same dude), and a bunch of other pros.

There are simple mathmatical solutions to "anti-boosting" policies in the league. For one thing, I think that a minimum of one loss should be required. Nobody can get to 4000 rating with only 70 wins. Certain numbers of games are required to do this properly and it'd be cleary boosting. Stormy's number of games is pretty accurate to his actual position in the league.

SILENCER = leaf. I was only naming a few examples. There are going to be some legendary accounts lost (mambo, Hott$sauce, etc), but if we are to commit to an idea like this there probably won't be another way.

Also, I disagree with the one loss thing. As we've seen with beck's account Lavender it is possible to get in the league with a 'perfect' account. However it certainly isn't possible to get 4000 rating off of just that many wins, let alone off of any amounts of wins. The league is broken because rating is modeled off of the ELO system (same one that Chess, LoL, etc uses), which generally isn't designed for players to exceed 3000 points, and definitely never 4000! These kind of scores are only possible when a single player can play against multiple opponents at once, but now everyone is too good for 1v3s or 1v4s to be doable anymore. Now that it basically takes at least 2800 points to even make it in the top 20, and nobody plays rated games anymore, getting into the league is now effectively impossible.

Another alternative solution if we were to reset the league would be to force every game to be rated, and continue to carefully monitor boosting. This should see a dynamic league that is constantly changing. Players with very high ratings would have difficulty sustaining it, and could easily lose their league spots. It may also be possible to implement a system that monitors how active accounts are, and have rating deteriorate based on when their last game was played or something. This would all take careful balancing of course, but if it were to be used (like Chess), we should see a system that develops like this:

<800 are beginners
800-1300 is an intermediate player
1300-1800 is an advanced player
1800-2200 is pro level
2200+ would be legendary

We may even be able to award titles such as 'master' and stuff that are permanently held once a certain rating is reached, but that's of course all for future discussions.

by **glow** Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:21 pm

EPIC_FAIL wrote:
Dapianokid wrote:Couple of things.
Beck is still playing from time to time, and you're forgetting about Stormy, Kirin, Silencer (maybe the same dude), and a bunch of other pros.

There are simple mathmatical solutions to "anti-boosting" policies in the league. For one thing, I think that a minimum of one loss should be required. Nobody can get to 4000 rating with only 70 wins. Certain numbers of games are required to do this properly and it'd be cleary boosting. Stormy's number of games is pretty accurate to his actual position in the league.

SILENCER = leaf. I was only naming a few examples. There are going to be some legendary accounts lost (mambo, Hott$sauce, etc), but if we are to commit to an idea like this there probably won't be another way.

Also, I disagree with the one loss thing. As we've seen with beck's account Lavender it is possible to get in the league with a 'perfect' account. However it certainly isn't possible to get 4000 rating off of just that many wins, let alone off of any amounts of wins. The league is broken because rating is modeled off of the ELO system (same one that Chess, LoL, etc uses), which generally isn't designed for players to exceed 3000 points, and definitely never 4000!. These kind of scores are only possible when a single player can play against multiple opponents at once, but now everyone is two good for 1v3s or 1v4s to be doable anymore. Now that it basically takes at least 2800 points to even make it in the top 20, and nobody plays rated games anymore, getting into the league is now effectively impossible.

Another alternative solution if we were to reset the league would be to force ever game to be rated, and continue to carefully monitor boosting. This should see a dynamic league that is constantly changing. Players with very high ratings would have difficulty sustaining it, and could easily lose their league spots. It may also be possible to implement a system that monitors how active accounts are, and have rating deteriorate based on when their last game was played or something. This would all take careful balancing of course, but if it were to be used (like Chess), we should see a system that develops like this:

<800 is a 'beginner player'
800-1300 is an 'intermediate player'
1300-1800 are 'advanced players
1800-2000 are 'pros'
2000+ would be legendary

We may even be able to award titles such as 'master' and stuff that are permanently held once a certain rating is reached, but that's of course all for future discussions.

that is an awesome idea i would say. I agree wit the deteriorating rating. I play other games that have that. And one thing for sure is it should make people play on one account more instead of always changing between them. Especially if we give them special titles and privileges for getting higher up.

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